Trump says he would be legally immune even if he called for ‘burning Congress’


(Bloomberg) — Donald Trump’s lawyers have argued that presidential immunity protects him from lawsuits even if he urges his supporters to “burn Congress down” while in office.

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Trump has claimed full immunity from lawsuits filed by both police officers and Democratic lawmakers accusing the former president of inciting the Jan. 6, 2021 attack on the Capitol. A federal judge in Washington previously dismissed Trump’s claims, but his attorney, Jesse Binall, made a new case Wednesday before the U.S. Court of Appeals for the DC Circuit.

A three-judge panel of appeals explored the outer limits of Trump’s alleged immunity and presented Vinnal with a series of dramatic hypothetical scenarios. The lawyers condemned some of the acts the judge alleged, but argued that the president was immune to committing such acts.

The president is generally immune from lawsuits for public conduct, including election-related activities. Circuit chief Judge Sri Srinivasan on Wednesday urged Binnal at a closed-door meeting to encourage supporters to go to polling stations and intimidate voters to prevent them from exercising their voting rights. I asked if I should

Binnall said it would be “terrifying” but yes, immunity would apply. He said lines of responsibility for a sitting president should be drawn based on “purely personal” actions and interests, such as sexual assault allegations and conversations between the president and stockbrokers about financial holdings. However, he suggested that the president’s urging his supporters to question the electoral vote was simply using the office’s established “bullying pulpit”. did.

Circuit Judge Greg Katsas said he was embittered by the fact that the lawsuit against Trump contained “at least colorable” allegations of inciting the mob that attacked the Capitol. to “burn Congress down.”

Binnal said civil immunity still applies in that case, but said impeachment and the possibility of criminal charges after taking office offer other avenues of accountability.

Judge Judith Rogers, based on a colleague’s hypothesis, whether Trump’s position is that the courts have no role, even with the findings that the president is “trying to destroy our constitutional system.” asked. Binnall responded that such conduct should not be the subject of civil action, based on those facts.

The lawsuit at issue accuses Trump of being part of a conspiracy to obstruct Congressional certification of the 2020 election results. In his speech at Ellipse on the day of the riot, he told the crowd to “fight” and march to the Capitol.

Questioning plaintiffs’ attorney Joseph Sellers, Srinivasan said the president routinely urges people to voice their opposition to the legislation in Congress. The seller responded that Trump’s interference with the peaceful transfer of power was an “extreme” situation.

Katsas asked supporters if they would peacefully protest and “unexpectedly” prompt some “bad apples” to commit violence, and if the president would be exempt from lawsuits.

Sellers said the immunity would likely apply, but Trump’s situation is different because he had an “ongoing course of conduct” for which he was responsible.

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